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Watch some of the highlight interviews from the No Laying Up podcast.

A fan favorite returns with our annual goals podcast as Soly, Tron, DJ, Neil and Randy pick our team's "Year of the _____" for 2024, review our individual goals from 2023 (27:00), and lay out our personal goals for 2024 (1:07:00).

Watch highlight interviews from the No Laying Up podcast.

TrapDraw Episode 270: 2024 Goals 

Editors Note: Timestamps originally built for audio only version. There could be a slight time shift for this video. 

We are ten years into No Laying Up, a text thread among college friends that's turned into more than any of us could have imagined. Come along for a three hour conversation about the origins of that initial text thread, the website (21:30), the first podcast (35:00), Justin Thomas marking the first podcast appearance from a tour pro (55:30), the first detonation of golf television coverage (1:09:00), our Rory-DT news scoop (1:23:00), the first Tourist Sauce (1:50:30) and Strapped seasons (2:14:00), and a ton more.

A more extensive list of some of our favorite web posts, tweets, and other moments from the last decade:

https://nolayingup.com/blog/murder-suspect-caught-pounding-balls-in-pga-superstore

https://patch.com/georgia/woodstock/woodstock-murder-suspects-plead-guilty-get-prison-time

https://x.com/NoLayingUp/status/621377723177533440?s=20

July 2017: The Sistine Chapel of Tourist Sauce: 

https://x.com/NoLayingUp/status/889533605273382912?s=20

NLU Podcast, Episode 777: 10 Year Oral History

Probably the top name on our bucket list of podcast guests, Lee Trevino joins the pod to tell as many stories as you can fit into two hours. Over the course of two hours, we cover Lee's unlikely story of overcoming poverty and hardship in his youth, his introduction to the game, military service in the Marine Corps, money game matches and introduction to the pro tour, winning majors, competing against Nicklaus, Palmer and Player and a ton more.

Lee Trevino Tells All

Ahead of the start of the 2023-24 NBA season, Soly catches up with Steph Curry who was just named the 2023 Charlie Sifford Award winner for his efforts in advancing diversity in the game of golf. We cover Steph's work with the Underrated Golf Tour and the Howard University golf teams plus his current competitive golf aspirations and his plans for golf when his basketball career comes to a close. We also get into his thoughts on the Ryder Cup and some comparisons to his experiences with USA Basketball. 

24:20 Ryder Cup and USA Basketball overlap

Here’s a sneak peek of the convo with Steph... (Note: Full answers edited for clarity and conciseness.)

Is there no golf during basketball season? You gotta get some stuff in while you're on the road. I know you got a favorite course in each city when the weather permits.

Yeah, it is kind of hit or miss. I would say it probably averages like twice a month during the season. You're dealing with daylight, obviously, with practice. Like you can't get outta the gym early enough to go out and make it worth it. Then we're hitting east coast cities most of the winter. So yeah, I'd say probably twice a month. But spring and then come playoff time, I actually play a lot more. It's great. Kind of a balance of the intensity and the pressure of the season and being able to get away for a little bit when I can fit it in and not wear myself out either.

Somebody's gotta get into your Wikipedia page. They have you as a five-handicap in there. What is the actual index these days?

So after every handicap disclaimer, you gotta have a whole kind of essay before I actually say the number. I had played the best golf in my life this summer. I had to put in a bunch of tournament scores this year, so I actually got down to a plus-three at one point. So obviously I wasn't winning too many bets after that. Definitely a nice vanity handicap, but it's tough when, I'll probably play to it for probably three weeks in the summer and then the closer you get to the season, you gotta carry it, but we'll see what happens.

Steph Curry Interview: Golf And Life After Basketball | No Laying Up

Fresh off his debut Ryder Cup appearance we welcome The Pro, Max Homa, back to the pod for the first of undoubtedly several postmortem episodes recapping the events at Marco Simone. Max takes us through the emotions of the week and during the American rally on Sunday, his partnership with Brian Harman, the mood in the team room after Friday and Saturday, his reaction to the narrative around Patrick Cantlay and Xander Schauffele, and the path forward for the US Ryder Cup team in Bethpage and beyond.

Here’s a sneak peek of the convo with Max... (Note: Full answer edited for clarity and conciseness.)

 The thing that's on my mind is the six-seven footer on 18 during the singles match. And for anybody who didn't see, it's kinda a shortish par five. You hit your second shot down in the eyelash of the bunker down there on 18. Just take me through from there until the time that the putt hit the bottom of the cup.

 Well it's actually funny you start at the end because I was convinced the first tee would be the most nervous I've ever, ever, ever been. And I was so wrong. On the first tee to that moment, I thought I got better as the week went on about like controlling my nerves. It was laughable how nervous I was on the first tee. I felt so calm until right when I stepped into the tee shot, my left leg went nuts. I told Joe, it's like when you're doing a wall sit and you do it a little too long. And he always jokes, he goes, "It's so funny what you feel, 'cause you look so like poised and calm." And I'm like, "Dude, I just like lost control of my body, but I hit the fairway." So I was like, "I'm gonna take that with me."

Fast forward that to the last three holes. That last hole is such a blur to me. When we got home, I nerded out and I told Lacey, I have to watch the last hole in real-time 'cause I don't remember a lot of it. Like I remember what I felt like, I don't remember -- just a lot of it was so blurry. I remember little things. Matt made me putt a 12-inch putt -- it was probably longer than that, but 18 inch put on 17. And I was nervous but I was never missing it.

...and in college, I missed the putt. I three putted my last hole of my collegiate career to lose to Thomas Poeters in match play of the team event. And I was so despondent for like 40 hours. I remember flying to the U.S. Open qualifier and I remember being on the plane saying, I don't know if it will be tomorrow a week from now, a month from now or 10 years from now. I want that putt again.

Like please let me have that putt again. I do not want to end my golfing career without getting an opportunity to show that I can do that. I know I can do that. It just so happened that the next day I had seven feet to get into a playoff or to keep a playoff going to get into the U.S. Open and I made it. And I remember being over that putt saying, "Bubba, you asked for this. Like you could be nervous, but you asked for this exactly. So you better at least relish the opportunity." And I remember Matt missed and I had seven feet and I remember saying, "You asked, you wanted this, so like flip the nerves. You're, you're nervous but you're not scared. Like you asked for this exact moment and you're getting it in the biggest way." But it was just crazy.

I was basically telling everybody you dream your whole life as every single golfer ever has of making a putt to win the Ryder Cup or making a putt to win the Masters or the U.S. Open. I have never dreamt of making a putt to not lose the Ryder Cup. That was a very different feeling. And I had such a good week personally on the golf course that I knew I would be labeled the choker and it just didn't feel like a fair thing. But I remember I really turned my brain on: You, you wanted this, this is a very cool opportunity.

But I lost full control of my body. I can't believe watching it that you can't see my legs shaking. I couldn't feel anything, like my legs were like full-blown vibrating. Like I had 50 phones tied to my legs and everyone was calling me.

It was a wild. And I, I, I watched it like, like I said last night, I just don't know how I made it. And that motherf***er was right in the goddamn middle. Like it was the best putt ever. It was crazy.

Max Homa Podcast on the 2023 Ryder Cup

George Gankas returns to the pod to chat with Soly about swing mechanics and how intricate and varied the golf swing can be, his work coaching players of all skill levels, working with Matt Wolff through his recent struggles, how he observes his players from TV coverage, his own aspirations of playing competitively, and more. 

George Gankas Podcast

Soly visits with legendary sports gambler Billy Walters ahead of the release of Billy's book Gambler: Secrets from a Life at Risk. 

In addition to the well-publicized partnership Billy had with Phil Mickelson, we cover his upbringing in Kentucky, his first exposure to gambling, his road to becoming of the most famous sports bettors in the world and a ton more.

Billy Walters Podcast Interview

Ahead of the Open Championship we're joined by Martin Ebert, a UK-based golf course architect who helped Royal Liverpool through several major changes to the course ahead of next week's tournament. We cover all the changes to the course including the brand new 17th hole and get an in-depth perspective on the challenges of renovating a seaside links course. We also discuss the effects of modern technology on some of the world's oldest courses and look at potential changes to other Open rota courses.

Royal Liverpool Preview with Martin Ebert - No Laying Up Podcast

Golf course architect Christine Fraser joins Soly to detail her philosophy around her golf course design work, creating community-centered courses, learning the tools of the trade under Martin Hawtree while living in Europe, getting her own company started and working as a woman in the GCA space.

Golf Course Architect Christine Fraser Interview on the No Laying Up Podcast

Soly catches up with Jordan Spieth and Scottie Scheffler for a quick chat about both of their journeys to becoming world number one, continuing to learn new techniques, Ryder Cup Team experiences, Tiger, Scheffler's current run at majors, putting, and more.