Transition from service is full of ups and downs, big dreams and massive failures. You are leaving a community where when you failed others were around to pick up the pieces. Mission first, people always. The real world is not like that. This week I am joined by Kevin Deckel. Kevin currently is the Director of Sales for Miura Golf. But it has been a long and interesting road to get him to where he is today. His journey includes working at In-and-Out, playing water polo in college, serving in 2nd Ranger Battalion, deploying to Afghanistan, and working outside service at one of the most popular muni's in the country. I hope everyone takes a little something from this one because failure happens to us all. It is what you learn from it that makes you the person you are today. Enjoy!

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Kevin Deckel, Miura Golf & former Army Ranger

The situation developing in Ukraine is top of mind this week and therefore Randy and Tron felt the need to bring in NLU Chief Security Officer, Cody McBride, to offer his wisdom and perspective on what's unfolding. Cody has a deep history in the US military and is well-positioned to speak on the subject and inform a couple of lay people like TC and Randy. They cover some other pertinent news of the day too, including the Havana Syndrome. Enjoy!

Note: Cody is the host of Downrange, part of our NLU podcast family. You can find it wherever you get your podcasts. We encourage everybody to seek it out.

175: Ukraine

Max Homa returns to chat about the west coast swing, what makes Riviera special, the 10th hole, playing with Adam Scott and Dustin Johnson, Netflix filming, chatter among tour players about rival leagues, where his allegiances lie, consistency, and so much more. Thanks as always to Max for his time.

524 - Max Homa

Joaquin Niemann wins at Riviera, and we recap an excellent tournament at one of our favorite venues. Morikawa's run, the Cat back in the booth, Hovland, JT, some great camera work, and everything else from the Pacific Palisades.

And of course, we go deep on the many, many developments in the Saudi Golf League from this past week, from Phil's incendiary statements, Bryson and DJ's change of heart, Rory weighing in, the future of the SGL, where the hell does Phil go from here, and so much more.

523 - Genesis Invitational Recap

Sports agent Hughes Norton joins the pod for some great stories on signing Tiger Woods to his first professional representation contract, his relationship with Earl Woods, his introduction to the golf business through Mark McCormack and IMG, and his experiences managing other top ranked players like Greg Norman.

522 - Hughes Norton

It's the day after a tough loss for Randy's Bengals and he works through his emotions with TC. Plus, he talks about getting blocked this weekend on Twitter by Phil Mickelson. Just a tuff couple of days. Plus some news of the day. Enjoy!

174: Super Bowl Reaction

Scottie Scheffler wins for the firs time on the PGA Tour, coming from behind on the back nine to defeat Patrick Cantlay in a three hole playoff to win the WM Phoenix Open on a memorable week in Scottsdale. We also salute the breakout performance of Sahith Theegala, the outstanding condition of the golf course, the beer showers at 16, and more. Then we take a deep dive into Charlie Hoffman's comments, Phil's blocking spree on twitter, and the latest rumors on the Saudi golf league.

521 - WM Phoenix Recap

Super Bowl 56 is here! Bob Sturm joins Tron and Randy to break down the game, and so much more. Bob is co-host of 'The Hardline', weekdays 3-7pm Central, on Dallas's The Ticket Sports Radio. In addition, he writes for The Athletic, and is generally one of the nicer and more thoughtful guys we know. We can't thank him enough for taking a break from his show on Radio Row this week to chat with us about all the most important matters of the day. Enjoy!

173: Super Bowl Preview (and more!) with Bob Sturm

The producers of the upcoming Netflix golf series, Chad Mumm and Paul Martin, join Soly to detail their plans for the show and how they've secured the participation of players and a variety of organizations in the game including all four major championships. We also get into their backgrounds and lessons learned from crafting the Formula One Netflix series "Drive to Survive".

520 - Netflix Producers Chad Mumm and Paul Martin

We go in a lot of different directions on this pod as Tom Hoge chases down Jordan Spieth to win at Pebble, Phil goes scorched earth on PGA Tour economics, more rumored offers from the SGL come to light and some history on the Tour's ability to combat rival tours. We also recap the Saudi Invitational with a guest appearance from Cody on the attempted sportswashing by the Saudi government and some reaction to this week's LPGA and Euro Tour events.

519 - Pebble Beach, Phil, Saudi Recap

2 time NBA Champion turned college golfer JR Smith joins Soly to share his story of going back to school and competing on the golf team at North Carolina A&T. Smith also details his first exposure to golf, his favorite experiences in the game, some great stories from his career in the NBA, and the lasting opportunities he hopes to create for others. This was a thrill to have him on the pod - a huge thank you to JR for his time!

518 - JR Smith

This week's episode is a Perfect Club installment diving into the new Peter Jackson documentary, "The Beatles: Get Back," currently available on Disney +. DJ Pie hosts the discussion and is joined by ESPN's Kevin Van Valkenburg and Iration's Micah Pueschel (aka Poosh Daddy). The trio walk through the documentary, discussing their thoughts and feelings along the way--a perfect way to cap your viewing experience. Enjoy!

172: "The Beatles: Get Back" Perfect Club

Luke List beats Will Zalatoris in a playoff to win at Torrey Pines, Viktor Hovland wins at Dubai in a playoff over Richard Bland as Rory rinses one on the 72nd hole and Lydia Ko notches another title as she edges Danielle Kang at the LPGA Gainbridge. We break down all three tournaments, plus a better than expected Torrey Pines, Zalatoris's putting, Rahm, Rory's increased use of his 3-wood and some listener questions as well.

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517 - Torrey Pines Recap

We've broken a TrapDraw record for episode length, folks, so needless to say there's a lot in here.

In Hour 1 TC, Randy & KVV run through current events--the Tonga volcano/tsunami, the Burkina Faso coup, Ukraine, Buc-ees, the respective tenures of Randy Edsall and Ralph Friendgen, and the ineptitude of the NCAA's Mark Emmert, to name a few topics.

Hour 2 begins with a wonderful discussion around KVV's recent ESPN piece, "The Unfiltered Year of Aaron Rodgers."

At about the 1:40 mark, discussion turns to the coaching and quarterback fits of those teams searching.

Finally, at about 2:12 minutes, attention goes to the NFL Conference Championship games and what's at stake, including an impassioned defense of Zac Taylor from Randy.

Lots to unpack, for sure, but we hope you enjoy!

171: NFL Championship Games & So, So Much More (w/ Kevin Van Valkenburg)

Adam Scott makes his debut on the pod ahead of this week's Slync.io Dubai Desert Classic to offer some great perspective on his career, the changes he's seen in the professional game, goals for the future, working with Steve Williams, and some great insights on both his close calls in majors and his win at Augusta in 2013.

516 - Adam Scott

Soly, Tron and Neil are back in the Killhouse to recap Hudson Swafford's win at PGA West as well as the Euro Tour event in Abu Dhabi, the reaction to the US Women's Open purse increase, the LPGA tournament of champions, some listener questions and a quick visit from Akshay Bhatia after his first win on the Korn Ferry Tour (34:00).

515 - AMEX Recap

Leona Maguire joins the pod to recap her rookie season on the LPGA tour and her sensational performance at the 2021 Solheim Cup. We also get into her amateur and collegiate career, the positive momentum surrounding the LPGA tour, future venues for the majors and a ton more!

514 - Leona Maguire

In today's episode Randy speaks with writer/author Christopher Clarey of the New York Times and International Herald Tribune about the state of tennis heading into the year's first major, the Australian Open. The two then chat about the Christopher's wonderful biography of Roger Federer entitled, "The Master: The Long Run and Beautiful Game of Roger Federer." Enjoy!

(Note: this conversation was recorded before the Novak Djokovic situation entirely played out, so you won't get commentary specific to that)

170: Christopher Clarey on Tennis and the Masterful Roger Federer

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