Big Randy and Cody are on location at Walton Heath for this week's AIG Women's Open. After a brief recap of our jet-lagged experience at today's Pro-Am, we offer our thoughts on the course, our upcoming appearance on the tournament radio broadcast, and our picks to contend in the final major of the year in women's golf.

725 - Women's British Open Preview

Show Notes is a weekly summary of what went down on the Sunday edition of the No Laying Up podcast. Want the TLDR and every reason to listen? A recap of the recap, if you will! Words and research by Jordan Perez.

“Substitute teaching” or a permanent replacement? Whatever you say, TC. He’s back to host another Sunday recap pod, this time joined by KVV! (Congrats to Soly, who became a dad this week. Perspective OTW!!!)


The two dive into PGA Tour regular-season finale in the Wyndham Championship, where Lucas Glover emerged victorious for his fifth PGA Tour win two strokes ahead of Byeong-hun An and Russell Henley. The putter plagued Glover, forcing a switch to a long putter that seemed to break the curse.

(8:30) 511 events, 59 top-ten finishes, 26 top-fives and five PGA Tour wins later, Lucas Glover has made a lot in his 19-year career.

(9:45) The guys talk Glover sounding off early in the week on the downsizing of the playoff system in going from the top 125 to 70. Both disagree with Glover’s larger point – a playoff is meant to reward good play.

(17:00) A recap of Lucas Glover’s Sunday, featuring some very interesting breaks (a cop, a creek, things of that nature).

(23:30) Down the leaderboard with a very brief ping-pong tangent inspired by the family history of runner-up Byeong-hun An.

poorly aged Justin Thomas Ryder Cup take.

 He believes he’ll still get picked! Unreal. Exploring who could take his place.


(36:00) Bryson’s 58 and all things LIV Greenbrier. Did Brooks’s words wake up Matthew Wolff? And a few more closing items from Sedgefield – stoking the Matt Wallace flame. Team Europe captain’s picks, as well as giving the FedExCup rankings some serious consideration in the one week of the year that they matter.


(56:45) Time to unpack Tiger joining the PGA Tour policy board! Tiger joins Patrick Cantley, Charley Hoffman, Peter Malnati, Rory McIlroy and Webb Simpson working alongside Ed Herlihy, Jimmy Dunne, Mark Flaherty, Mary Meeker, soon-to-be-announced Big Randall Stephenson’s replacement and PGA of America Director John Lindert.

The two go over the certain steps the player leaders requested, including the involvement and approval of Player Directors before any major decision is made and Colin Neville (Special Advisor to the Player Directors) being clued in on the state of negotiations in the Framework Agreement and provided access to any documents and information necessary on behalf of the players. (This smells a lot like marriage counseling, I imagine?) 

Stop pretending to be happy about the PGA Tour “working things out,” Phil…

(1:05:00) Let’s react to the new schedule leak. Not too many changes, but enough to brew some conjecture. Going back to Bryson – sounds like he’s back! A 58 is a 58, even if the setup was bringing in other low scores.

(1:14:16) Shouts to Celine Boutier for following up her win at Evian with a two-shot victory at the Scottish Open. Transitioning into some Women’s British Open chatter. KVV chats about his experience playing Walton Heath.

(1:17:40) Some quick hitters including the Western Amateur, Angel Cabrera’s prison release, end of the Korn Ferry Tour season, conference realignment, U.S. Women’s Amateur at Bel-Air and Jack Nicklaus losing his Name, Image and Likeness case.

(9:45) The rebuttal to Lucas Glover is totally valid. 70 is a lot. Forcing me to care about 

It’s not like everyone outside of 70 is SOL. You still have some status. Play better!

(30:30) KVV is still somewhat attached to the JT Ryder Cup take. It’s over. Let it go.

Light refreshments this week from the Wyndham Championship.

T2 Byeong-hun An - “Both of his parents are Olympians.” -TC

4 Horschel - “I’ve been critical of Billy in the past. He can be a loudmouth, but so can I.” -TC

T5 Webb Simpson - “First top-ten since March or April?”

T5 Michael Kim - “Became a good golfer again, but also a delightful Twitter follow.” -KVV

T7 Adam Scott - “Adam Scott being 43 makes me feel old.” -KVV

T7 Adam Svensson - “Let me down this week. The fund was relying on him.” -TC

T12 Justin Thomas - “Valiant effort, I’m just not buying the whole Ryder Cup thing.” -TC

(17:00) “Going back to Lucas, he had a couple good breaks down the stretch. On 18…hits it off of a cop. Try that in a small town, Lucas.” -TC

(25:45) “We had a ping pong table in the basement growing up, Neil and I. I think we had fist fights at the end of ping-pong matches, broken paddles, all that kind of stuff.” -TC


(54:57) “Would Phil have been like Romo, though? Where you love him the first two seasons and then you go ‘God, f*ck this guy.’” -TC

“What a quick summary of Phil’s entire personality.” -KVV

(1:33:20) *Jack Nicklaus impression* “‘I mean, Andy Katzenmoyer, he got to sell his name back in the day…’” -KVV


Adam Schupak story on Lucas Glover’s thoughts on new playoff system

PGA Tour press release on Tiger joining the PGA Tour policy board

Twitter: Phil weirdly celebrating Tiger joining the policy board

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724 - Wyndham Recap

TC & Randy are back to chop it up after a week of vacation. The two cover all the most important stories from around the globe. Enjoy!

249: TC & Randy Chop Session

A substitute teacher appearance: TC and Cody take over the Sunday recap pod to touch on a 

of golf that went down this past week. (Side note: Congrats are in order for our very own Casey Landman, who won her club championship this past week!)

(5:15) The duo opens things by chatting about the 3M Open, where Lee Hodges totally dominated with a 24-under week, winning by a whole 

TC and Cody tag team Down the Leaderboard before jumping into Ryder Cup implications. (13:00) TC has some Ludvig explaining to do…and asks him to 

Cody brings up an excellent point: Why doesn’t someone like Akshay Bhatia (a non-member) get FedExCup points, even with a special temporary membership?

(22:30) Jordan…I mean me…ok, I’m not gonna refer to myself in the third person. I hop on to talk with the guys about the Evian Championship and the U.S. Junior Amateur. Celine Boutier outlasted a top-notch leaderboard to become the first Frenchwoman to win the Evian, and earned her first major in the process. I claim she “Brian Harman’d that sh*t” after being the 54-hole leader and winning by six shots.

(27:00) That’s the kind of win to lock Celine into her second Solheim Cup appearance – and make Team Europe look extra dangerous. Let’s assess their chances. A Ciganda conspiracy? TC dives into Carlota Ciganda’s DQ, which resulted from her refusing to sign her scorecard according to a 2-stroke slow play penalty assessed during her second round. Was that the right hill to die on given her spot on the Solheim Cup points list?

(33:40) So…is Evian legit yet? I argue that by proxy of the field and identification, it’s a piece of a larger puzzle.

(42:20) Cody notes Team USA is in TROUBLE. Danielle Kang is making the Solheim Cup team with this kind of year? 73-79 at Evian to miss the cut. And Lexi Thompson skips Evian for the third time in a row?

(45:00) We come up with who we’d most love to play a Pro-Am with: Patty Tavatanakit, Charley Hull, Rose Zhang, Angel Yin, Jenny Shin, Nasa Hataoka and Minjee Lee all make our individual lists, for different reasons.

(47:15) Time to talk some U.S. Junior Am! Certainly a strange year at the Junior Amateur with too many weather delays to count and a championship match spanning two days. Does the U.S. Junior indicate better professional success vs. the U.S. Amateur? Billy Davis is emerging from his twin Anna’s shadow!


Incoming Duke freshman Bryan Kim defeated Joshua Bai, 2 up, in his final junior event. Very back-and-forth match, but Kim won the final two holes down the stretch…and didn’t even have to putt for the title? A tough sequence from Bai, who tried to go for the green in two resulted in three disastrous chips – one involving TIO.


(59:06) Back to TC and Cody. TC quickly indulges in the gnarly conditties at the Royal Porthcawl, where Alex Cejka bested Padraig Harrington on the second playoff hole to win the Senior Open title.


(1:01:30) Big Jay is back on the job after sending out a massive memo on Wednesday night. The PGA Tour details its opposition to the USGA’s proposed rollback and the announcement of the “Player Benefit Program,” aka, reparations for those who never made the jump to LIV. Basically, Jay wants to get back in the good graces of the PGA Tour membership. Also in the works is the assembly of a committee designed to “develop potential pathways back to the PGA Tour for LIV players who wish to reapply in the future.”

(01:14:15) PGA Tour Canada cheating controversy! Just a little change up of a score after Justin Doeden hit it in the water on the final hole of his round and changed a 7 to a 5, hoping his playing partners wouldn’t notice after they left scoring. Sike. They totally did.


(01:16:30) Shouts to Barstool and the Korn Ferry Tour for innovation on the coverage side, and to Michael Thorbjornsen for coming out on top on the PGA Tour U rankings.

(33:40) Fine, TC. It might take a little longer to elevate the Evian, and it might start with the course. The Evian Resort Club has some legitimacy to it, but we might be Bellerive’ing it here in giving too much weight to the leaderboard.


(47:15) Look, maybe, just maybe, we have an equal amount of flukey winners on both the Junior and the U.S. Am side. I’ll nominate myself. Still, @ me.

 “I’ve watched Rose Zhang in a pro-am before…I don’t know that Rose Zhang should be playing golf with mortals. It’s just not a thing that should happen.” 

 “He literally has to win the Masters for people to stop saying ‘Oh yeah, that’s Billy, Anna Davis’s brother.’” 

“Alex Cejka won in a playoff over Padraig Harrington, who looked like he didn’t know how to wear a beanie. It was awesome.”

Times TC stressed about inclement weather during recording: 

Some light hors d'oeuvres for the 3M Open and Evian Championship.

T2 J.T. Poston, -17  “Bummed. -TC on J.T. Poston’s triple on 18 to spoil straight 66s

T5 Keith Mitchell, -16 “Like seeing Keith heat up.” -TC

T7 Tony Finau -15, “Had some rollback comments that we will certainly get to later.”

T10 Emiliano Grillo, -14 “Such a good year.” -Cody

T13 Beau Hossler, -13  “The sheepdog coming in clutch. I think he tied the tournament course record there. (RE: final round 62)” -Cody

2 Brooke Henderson, -8 - “Not a putting contest.” -TC

T3 Yuka Saso, -7 - “Very good stretch from her of late.” -TC

T9 Atthaya Thitikul, -5 “Some stolen valor.” -TC

T16 Minjee Lee, -3 “Kinda shocking.” -TC

T20 Jin Young Ko, -2 “Continues to just simmer right below the surface.” -TC

T20 Angel Yin, -2 “Just an awesome performance in a major championship with a 76 on her scorecard.” -Cody

T48 Patty Tavatanakit, +2 “Not doing this again. You’re not getting me this time, (Patty).” -Jordan

T61 Lydia Ko, +6 “Feels like we’re a long way off, still.” -Cody

68 Paula Reto, +7 “Not a Camilo, but a post-cut Camilo.” -TC

MC Danielle Kang, +10 “What are we doing?” -Cody


Carlota’s Instagram response to her slow-play DQ

Jason Gore (PGA Tour executive vice president and chief player officer) on the rollback

Phil Mickelson’s response to the announcement of the pathway back to the PGA Tour

PGA Tour Canada cheating story by Monday Q Info

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723 - 3M + Evian Recap

Ahead of the fourth LPGA major of the year, Randy catches up with Grant Boone to talk all things Evian Championship and LPGA. Grant is a long-time play-by-play voice on Golf Channel and brings a great perspective on the up and down history of the Evian and the debate around what makes a major earn that distinction on tour. We also get into some general discussion on this season thus far and some of the names who we expect to contend this week in France.

722 - LPGA Evian Preview with Grant Boone

Hats off to Brian Harman! The hot-dog-eating, apple pie-loving Americans Soly, D.J., Randy and Neil all show the 2023 Open Champion kudos. The weekend leader hardly faltered, and any blemish quickly showed quick resilience, especially with his fiery putter and precision. Maybe it isn’t the sexiest final round 70 you’ve ever seen, but Harman had more of that DAWG in him than anyone else to win by six shots. Breaking the conventions of what we expect a modern men’s golf champion – doing it with long iron play and a world-class short game instead of a long-distance driver – makes for a compelling winner.

(10:05): D.J. reminisces on Brian Harman’s dominant amateur career, and how he struggled to replicate the same success. Some of his highlights 

 winning the U.S. Junior Amateur and a host of prestigious college and amateur events.

(12:50): Tron’s last-minute Tommy Fleetwood rally resuscitated the tournament. Some pre-TC roasting before he joins the show. Randy points out Fleetwood played Friday, Saturday and Sunday at a combined 1-over. 

(27:00): RE: Ryder Cup hopefuls – who is the most bummed out that Harman won?

(30:00): The boys play the O/U game regarding total PGA Tour wins for Brian Harman. Neil sets it at 5. D.J. says this major sets up better for Harman than your normal week-to-week events on the PGA Tour.

(33:30): KVV drops in and is painfully reminded that TC made it to Hoylake far quicker than KVV’s own golf clubs, which remain stranded somewhere in England. KVV adds some insight regarding the Harman naysayers and his culture-shocking revelations to the English media. It appears these people do not think Harman’s tractor is sexy.

(37:30): TC SNEAKS INTO THE MEDIA CENTER?! How did the post-round pic with Tommy-lad come about? And more details on the dream that drove his trip! The Vision Fund remains extremely bullish on Tommy (shocking)…and sees a FedExCup in Fleetwood’s future? Bold words from a man who only lasted alongside Tommy until the 14th hole. Nevertheless, his belief remains bigger than your doubt.

(50:30): LIMPGATE? Did Tom Kim limp harder for the Netflix cameras?! TC hopes to see less thirst.


(1:01:45): Now that TC’s gone……an objective Tommy Fleetwood post-mortem. He finished T10 after tying for the first-round lead. This influences the boys into a discussion about the best modern players to have never won a major. That said, two top-10s in a major for everyone’s favorite Austrian and second-favorite Dawg, Sepp Straka – is he a lock for Team Europe?


(1:15:15) Now that men’s major championship season is over, let’s reflect. Best major of the season, biggest letdowns…and let’s bring some nuance to the “Can LIV guys compete at majors?” discussion. Where did they go? Play aside, we didn’t get the soap opera drama between tours we might have hoped for, but this year established Brooks is That Dude again.

(1:27:00): YETI Coldest Moment of the Week Nominations. Hint: Most nominations go to stone-cold killer Brian Harman, sans resident camper Neil.

(1:43:45): Eulogizing the Linksmaster (Jordan Spieth’s) legitimate chances at major championship golf.

(1:48:00): Shoutouts in order for: Alex Fitzpatrick’s top-20 in his first major, Matthew Jordan, low amateur Christo Lamprecht (only amateur to make the cut) and Tom Kim.

(1:52:00): A little Hamsterdam because NBC deserves it for a lukewarm major championship presentation. Get rid of Playing Through. NBC weekends are becoming dreadful.

D.J. files it under obvious takes, but 18 holes is a lot of golf. We’re constantly reminded of it every time Rory comes out guns blazing and we think it will continue for another 3+ hours. But a full round of golf is a journey of ebbs and flows, as we learned again Sunday.

Also, how CAN we explain the crazy 20+ top-10s with no dubs since Rory’s last major? Is it time to start thinking of Rory as two totally different players (pre-2014 and post-2014)? 

 Are we not selecting off of merit anymore? He plays well across the pond, Soly. He hits fairways and greens! He’s a match play killer! Soly continues to advocate for the points system to change – in hopes of choosing the 12 best players for the team. Claims Harman has been “just a guy!” up until this week. Come on.

Small but sincere apologies to Tom Kim from D.J. for two top-10s in majors in 2023 and Soly apologizes to D.J. for some bet they made about Padraig and Adrian Meronk after a big-time 67 in the final round from D.J.’s fellow Pole.

-Neil’s message to Brian Harman’s hecklers (35:40)

“‘Tommy, I apologize to you. I should have been here earlier.’” 

“It turns out the R&A isn’t very friendly toward journalists who show up on the morning of the final round.” – TC

“I’m proud of TC referring to himself as a journalist. We’ve come a long way.” – KVV (39:30)

“I think us absolutely riding for Brian Harman in the preview pod absolves us of any bad takes.”

“Would encourage everybody to go seek that out. I wouldn’t look at who we actually bet on.”

flexing their pre-tournament prognostication

“It’s a good spot to be in that our best hope is that maybe the kingdom of Saudi Arabia swoops in to provide some commercial-free golf.” 

@JustinRayGolf: Americans to win @TheOpen by 6+ shots

Soly’s article: How the Ryder Cup points system overrates winning

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721 - Open Championship Recap 

720 - Saturday Open Championship Recap

Brian Harman surges ahead by 5 shots at the halfway point as Tommy Lad battles to join him in the final pairing on Saturday. We recap a lengthy day 2 at Royal Liverpool, discuss the bunker adjustments made by the R&A, assess some performances after two rounds, preview the weekend ahead, and a lot more.

719 - Friday Open Championship Recap

TOMMY LAD! TC's beautiful boy jumps out to the early lead, as we react to day one at Hoylake. We talk Tommy, Rory, internal OB, Royal Liverpool, other noteworthy rounds of the day, down the leaderboard, and a ton more.

718 - Thursday Open Championship Recap

TC & Randy are back to chop it up this week! The two go through some mea culpas and housekeeping items before diving into Randy's recent Taylor Swift experience and Tron's family vacation. They then hit some top news stories they're monitoring, plus a little bit of sports takes at the end. Enjoy!

248: TC & Randy Chop Session

We have a very special bonus midweek episode as Randy speaks with Jane Park. Jane left the LPGA Tour in 2021 after her ten month old daughter, Grace, experienced a series of seizures which left her with permanent brain damage.

This week, Jane will return to the tour along with Paula Creamer at the Dow Great Lakes Invitational - the LPGA's team event - in Midland, Michigan. In addition to enjoying a proper send-off for her competitive career, Jane hopes to bring awareness and raise financial support for families of children who experience epileptic seizures.

(You can follow Jane's week on Instagram: 

 If you'd like to contribute to the foundations mentioned, please visit: 

Jane walks us through her family's experiences through the last two years, her goals for the upcoming tournament, her favorite current players to watch on the LPGA Tour and a ton more.

717 - Jane Park

The Open Championship (presented by his majesty the King) returns to Royal Liverpool this week for the latest edition of the game's oldest major. We break down the course, the changes since the last time it hosted the Open, the weather forecast and a quick scan of the betting favorites.

Then it's time for us to make our picks for the week (24:00), and our traditional picks not to win. We close with our own personal rankings of the courses of the Open rota and how they stack up against each other (58:30).

716 - Open Championship Preview

Rory wins the Scottish Open and we're left wondering if that's a good thing for his chances in next week's Open Championship. We take stock of McIlroy's win, Big Shot Bob MacIntyre's incredible shot into 18 in his home open, Tommy-lad, Scottie, Lord Tyrrell and everything else from the week at the Renaissance Club.

After some Hamsterdam on the CBS sports app coverage, we take a sneak peek at the captain's pick options for the Euro and US Ryder Cup teams (42:30), some additional reaction to Tuesday's Senate hearing, Linn Grant's win on the LPGA Tour, plus DJ's epic two-day run of ten rounds on Wisconsin's ten top-100 public courses.

715 - Scottish Open Recap

Cody and Neil are back for the 7th installment of The Booth. For this episode, we call upon KVV to help us assess the current state of print and digital media. We start our chat with the recent news about the NYT Sports section rolling up under The Athletic umbrella as well as the recent layoffs and programming trends at ESPN. We also touch on local news reporting, the evolving pathways to jobs for the next generation of reporters, and some specifics of golf media coverage compared to other pro sports.

247: The Booth Vol 7 with KVV

Ahead of the Open Championship, we're joined by Martin Ebert, a UK-based golf course architect who helped Royal Liverpool through several major changes to the course ahead of next week's tournament. We cover all the changes to the course including the brand new 17th hole and get an in-depth perspective on the challenges of renovating a seaside links course. We also discuss the effects of modern technology on some of the world's oldest courses and look at potential changes to other Open rota courses.

714 - Martin Ebert previews Royal Liverpool

After the events of the day in DC we fire up the pod and call upon Jim Newell, Senior Political Writer at Slate Magazine, to help us make sense of today's proceedings in front of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.

We examine what was (and wasn't accomplished) over the course of the three-plus hour hearing, plus the documents that were released about the communications between the Tour and the PIF - including the "best of both worlds" proposal. We also discuss potential reactions from players on tour, offer some thoughts on the road ahead and close with some listener questions.

Link to documents discussed on tonight's pod: 

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023-07-10-PSI-Majority-Staff-Memorandum-Regarding-Preliminary-Information-on-Agreement-Between-PGA-Tour-and-Saudi-Arabian-Public-Investment-Fund-with-Consolidated-Appendix.pdf

713 - Senate Hearing Recap with Slate's Jim Newell

Ahead of the PGA Tour's hearing in DC on Tuesday, Soly is joined by Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin who serves as the ranking member of the Senate's permanent sub-committee on investigations.

Senator Johnson gives us his perspective on the proposed agreement between the Tour and the Saudi PIF, the purpose and goals of a public congressional hearing, the trends of sovereign wealth funds investing in pro sports - both domestically and internationally, how professional sports leagues are treated compared to other potential monopoly cases, and more.

712 - Sen. Ron Johnson

We begin tonight's live show recap pod with Randy, Tron, KVV, Cody and Jordan from Pebble Beach where Hawaii's Allisen Corpuz won the US Women's Open at Pebble Beach for her first professional win.

After that, Soly takes the wheel and we're on to the PGA Tour where Sepp Straka fired a final round 62 to win the John Deere Classic. We also touch on all the action from LIV London, the DP World Tour, the recent departure from the PGA Tour's Policy Board and more.

711 - US Women's Open & John Deere Recap 

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