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Each of the twelve-man teams are set for Marco Simone - time for another Ryder Cup roundtable with Soly and Kyle Porter vs. Tron and Jamie Weir. We begin with Soly and Tron trading haymakers on Ludvig's inclusion on the European team and their respective histories of opinions on the Swedish Ryder Cup rookie. After the Ludvig shouting match concludes (28:00), we settle down for some additional thoughts on the makeup of the rosters, those who were considered and not selected, potential pairings and a ton more.

A fresh, funny discussion of all things golf from the guys at No Laying Up. Episodes air twice a week and topics include tournament recaps, interviews, deep dive player profiles, golf travel, and more.

NLU Podcast, Episode 735: 2023 Ryder Cup Roundtable: Post Captain's Picks

It's time for another deep dive from Soly and KVV - this time we look back at the last four Ryder Cups on European soil. From the blowout win at the K Club in 2006 to Le Golf National in 2018, we examine every detail in each of the home European victories from the most memorable moments to the many shortcomings from the Americans, the controversies, the fashion.... or lack thereof, and a ton more. Settle in for this one!

NLU Podcast, Episode 734: Last Four European Ryder Cups

 to talk with Soly about swing mechanics and how intricate and varied the golf swing can be, his work coaching players of all skill levels, working with Matt Wolff through his recent struggles, how he observes his players from TV coverage, his own aspirations of playing competitively and more.

NLU Podcast, Episode 733: George Gankas

(2:15) Soly is in great spirits as he’s joined by KVV, Neil and Cody to digest the season finale. BDV is back for the second week in a row as in claiming the PGA Tour season finale. Viktor Hovland won the Tour Championship by five shots over Xander Schauffele at East Lake and took home a nice chunk of change ($18M, to be exact).

(4:20) That said, it’s hard to shake off the LIV vibe of this event. Probably the only place in the world where $18M is super anticlimactic. Now that the money talk isn’t so taboo, nothing about it is all that sexy! Neil suggests a live update of the money on the line. Why can’t we make this match play again…? This format needs to figure itself out.


(9:30) Shouts to the broadcast for going commercial-free on the back nine and letting the good golf between the final pairing take the stage. It’s been a refreshing playoffs presentation from CBS, with some great chemistry between Immelman and Nantz. The real hero of the Tour Championship, however, is the cameraman that ran with Hovland after the rain delay. Neil learns the difference between a hard and a soft camera.

(13:00) Let’s recap the final round a little bit more – Viktor Hovland gets a processional on the first tee? They both went 4-under in their first six holes, with Xander birdied 8 to cut the lead to 5. Both missed short birdie on 10 and are subsequently put on the clock? We’re talking big bucks here, no one is scared!

Xander birdied the next two holes to cut the lead to three, but Hovland stays afloat, continuing to par his way through the back nine before birdies on the last three holes. Xander birdied the last and shot an impressive 62. 

(14:00) Time to play the O/U majors game starring Hovland. Setting the line at 2.5, the guys prognosticate the “cutie pie”’s chances.


(17:00) KVV raises a question—when is the last time we saw someone take an abysmal part of their golf game and turn it around in a matter of one year? Cody offers some background on the team Viktor’s has built around him, which includes a huge indulgence of stats.

(23:30) Let’s unpack 2023 for some of these big hitters who didn’t quite hit big. Why isn’t Xander better? Soly contests with Xander’s strokes gained, and Xander’s made an unreal amount of money at East Lake, but what exactly can we make of his career? He’s got all the goods – but seemingly lacks a killer instinct.

Has the world no. 1 figured out his putting woes? There were so many almosts this year with Scottie Scheffler this year. Is it time to worry about his putting re: Ryder Cup? Yeah, it is.

(41:50) The gamblers are furious – when is the Tour going to implement injury reports? We didn’t find out until Thursday that Rory hadn’t played a single hole of golf all week due to his injury. Not exactly fair to accept gambling money if there’s a lack of transparency on a player’s health.

(49:30) Monahan is booed in Atlanta! Is a match play season-ending event a tough sell for sponsors? The guys devise what a made-for-TV spectacle could be…without being “The Match.” Isolating the field to a handful of players might not be the answer, but how else can a bracket operate?

(58:50) Let’s start our Ryder Cup segment with a brief DP World Tour moment. Todd Clements won the Czech Masters by a shot over Matt Wallace. Some big finishes from Nicolai Hojgaard, Bob MacIntyre, Ludvig Aberg and Yannick Paul. Team Europe captain Luke Donald will make his captain’s picks on September 4th.


Time to dive in! Does Keegan deserve it? Even if he isn’t in the “cool kids” club? What do we make of his play + chemistry? Keegan’s team matchplay record is nothing to sniff at: 6-2-1. Cody argues Keegan is on the rebound – and that he’s deserving! Rickie, Cam Young, Spieth?

Which pairings are the right ones? Maybe the Europeans have the edge, but it seems like it’s marginal. Who will be the dark horse star of this Ryder Cup?


(1:33:00) The guys digested Jin Young Ko vs. Megan Khang in real-time, but Megan Khang prevails after one playoff hole for her first LPGA victory. Khang lost her final-round lead and Jin Young Ko rose to the challenge and nearly won it all before Khang birdied the final hole to send them into a playoff. The Solheim Cup solidifies.

(1:37:30) Other items, including the Walker Cup, the Korn Ferry Tour and the Alejandro Tosti tea! Putting a bow on the end of the PGA Tour season.

Shoutout to Soly for magnificently leading the live show charge all season long.


(41:50) The lack of injury reports was a weird thing for me to get into when I first started consuming golf on TV. Like, I really have to find out through a WD most of the time? I’m all for thickening the plot – and talking about injuries does that! We could have all had a collective sob fest leading up to the Tour Championship re: Rory. Also, the gambling community is not the best bunch to rile up. Everyone vouched for this, so everyone wins best take.

KVV, Neil: Not everyone has to be a major winning king. It’s ok if people like Xander are simply just mid in legacy? In sports, we have to detach technical greatness from win capability – and in a sad, strange way, that’s kind of beautiful. And memorable! Ask Dan Marino. Or Charles Barkley.

(1:35:00) Cody issues an apology to Lexi Thompson for 

(00:45) “You know I love the Tour Championship format where players of lesser skill get some strokes.” -KVV

“Players of more skill get extra strokes.” -Soly


“Oh sorry, I screwed up the whole thing!” -KVV


(12:15) “It looks pretty hard to me! I wouldn’t call it a flaccid camera.” -Neil

(1:18:30) “Do we feel good about Spieth?” -Neil


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NLU Podcast, Episode 732: Tour Championship Recap (+ Show Notes)

Big Randy and Cody are back with another LPGA-focused pod which kicks off with a review of Alexa Pano's first professional win at the co-sanctioned ISPS Handa World Invitational event in Northern Ireland.

Then it's on to the upcoming Solheim Cup matches in Spain which are just inside of a month away (34:00). We recorded shortly after European captain Suzann Pettersen announced her captain's picks. We debrief on the European team before moving on to the Americans and the upcoming decisions facing captain Stacy Lewis. We close with some hypothetical head-to-head matchups based on the Rolex rankings.

NLU Podcast, Episode 731: LPGA Check-In and Look Ahead to Solheim Cup

With just a little more than a month to go our foursome of Ryder Cup sickos are back to trade barbs ahead of the action at Marco Simone. For the stars and stripes, Soly pairs with Kyle Porter while the Euros are represented by Tron and Jamie Weir. We take the temperature of both sides and potential captain's picks, venue and setup concerns, the path to victory for each side, the shortcomings of the points systems, underrated players on both teams, and a ton more.

NLU Podcast, Episode 730: Ryder Cup Roundtable with Jamie Weir and Kyle Porter

Show Notes is a weekly summary of what went down on the Sunday edition of the No Laying Up podcast. Want the TLDR and every reason to listen? A recap of the recap, if you will! Words and research by Jordan Perez.

The king of the live shows is BACK. Soly makes his return (congrats to both Soly and Hannah!!), boasting at epic proportions as his pick for the week got it done, 

 D.J. and TC report from D.J.’s garage after a week spent at the BMW Championship, and Cody misses out on his Mid-Am qualifier to hold down the fort as the guys digest the second week of the newly formatted FedExCup Playoffs.

(3:30) Viktor Hovland shoots a 61 for a course record-setting victory at Olympia Fields, breaking free from a tie with Scottie Scheffler with a clutch birdie on the 18th. Hovland shot a 28 on his back nine to rocket up the leaderboard on a day that appeared to be Scheffler’s for the taking. It’s Hovland’s second victory of the year in what’s been a career year for the 25-year-old – he hasn’t missed a cut this year!

(16:30) Olympia Fields is a venue that once again rose to the occasion. Thick rough, enough variance and deceptive greens. TC and DJ dig into their on-site experience, including TC’s pro-am and some insight on the Evans Scholar program.

(24:00) Soly steals TC’s thunder and leads down the leaderboard, which includes some wholesome Max Homa moments with the crew and Saturday’s unruly spectator. Why are we letting an actual piece of string be the separation between 

(33:00) Sahith Theegala just missing the Tour Championship spurs a conversation of notables to miss (Denny McCarthy, Cameron Young, Sam Burns-ing his Ryder Cup chances?) Were they deserved?

(37:00) Soly does his best to contain TC’s desire to go all the way down the leaderboard but eventually surrenders. TC won’t admit to ever calling Tom Kim a fraud (deflects to “thirsty”), but witnesses and receipts say otherwise.

(40:00) Is Lucas Glover going to get a captain’s pick? Soly is manically dying on the JT Ryder Cup hill! Contends that the “American Poulter” needs to be on the team. Brooks Koepka, Cameron Young, Jordan Spieth, Collin Morikawa and Rickie Fowler seem set. So who is getting the last? Let’s play the culture fit game, which is mostly Soly declaring JT the only option.

(57:00) Team Europe discourse! Our resident Team Europe correspondent Tron assembles the captain’s picks.

(1:01:30) A few more FedExCup items, including the Hatton video, Team Rose throwing out the first pitch at Wrigley and Grandma Susie vibing at the BMW Championship.

(1:07:50) How much do we care about the future of men’s professional golf at this point? For the first time in a long time, this week at the BMW Championship actually felt like it was about the golf.

(1:10:00) On that note — a peek at what the Tour Championship will look like. Is the 70-50-30 cadence working? Another year of the handicap scoring — how much weirder should the playoffs get?

(1:13:00) The U.S. Amateur —  Alabama’s Nick Dunlap becomes the second player in history after Tiger Woods to win a U.S. Junior and a U.S. Amateur, beating Ohio State’s Neal Shipley 4&3.

(1:15:40) On her 19th birthday, Alexa Pano wins the ISPS Handa Invitational on the third playoff hole after a tough rookie year. Things are heating up in the women’s game — one more week until automatic Solheim Cup selections for Team USA!

(1:18:00) Alex Fitzpatrick making big moves to lock down DP World Tour status. Andy Ogletree wins by seven on the Asian Tour.


(1:22:00) Revisiting the Billy Walters interview, and stomaching another week of Blockie clout chasing after he ties the course record at Valhalla.

(1:28:00) Early FedExCup Champion picks.


(1:30:00) Soly talks dad life! Cody is literally on fire in Texas. TC gets a chipping lesson from Rory. Parting thoughts from the gang’s experience at the BMW Championship.


(1:10:00) Indeed, the handicap format for the Tour Championship is weird and fun. It’s not a major. Do whatever you want with it. I will hand it to Soly here, however…


(40:00) Show notes is in its infancy and Soly is already on a generational run. Give up on JT. 

How many times has Soly won worst take/how many editions of show notes: 

T2 Scottie Scheffler, -15: “Best driver of the ball on tour.” -Soly

T5 Brian Harman, -11:  “I am a little concerned about Brian Harman and the Ryder Cup in September. That’s when bow hunting season is in full effect. -Cody

T5 Max Homa, -11: “Little bit of a disappointing weekend for Max.” -Soly

T10 Tom Kim, -7: “That’s some stolen valor 66. I don’t even think we saw Tom Kim this week.” -TC

T15 Sahith Theegala, -6: “Patrick Cantlay made a birdie on the last two holes Viktor Hovland-style to knock Sahith out of the playoffs.” -Soly

T34 Jordan Spieth, +1: Links-master shoutout from TC.

T34 Tyrell Hatton, +1: “He rolls the rock so nice.” -TC

T37 Sepp Straka, +2: “A little worried about Sepp and the Ryder Cup.” -TC

(24:30) (On Matt Fitzpatrick’s performance) “I would say three of the top four finishers, although he’s still reeling from the Northwestern football scandal.” -TC

(28:14) (On D.J.’s high-five with Max photo) “You gotta watch this move. People are gonna think you’re trying to pass him something.” -Cody

“That’s what I said. It looks like I’m selling him molly.” -D.J.

(46:45) “The more you say these names, don’t you gravitate toward JT?” -Soly

“Don’t you feel just a little silly saying that?” -D.J.



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NLU Podcast, Episode 729: BMW Championship Recap (+ Show Notes)

Soly visits with legendary sports gambler Billy Walters ahead of the release of Billy's book Gambler: Secrets from a Life at Risk.

In addition to the well-publicized partnership Billy had with Phil Mickelson, we cover his upbringing in Kentucky, his first exposure to gambling, his road to becoming of the most famous sports bettors in the world and a ton more.

NLU Podcast, Episode 728: Billy Walters

In what’s likely the latest Live Show of all time, DJ rallies stateside Tron and abroad Cody and Randy for a BIG recap of what went down at Walton Heath, Memphis and more!


(2:40) Lilia Vu headlines a massive week of golf by winning her SECOND major of the year by six shots! But before the gang gets into that, a moment of shame for Randy for setting the all-time record for oversleeping on Tuesday of the Women’s British Open, resulting in a hell of a wake-up call from Cody. Randy jumps into the backstory of how he and Cody ended up on the AIG Women’s Open radio broadcast.

(20:00) Woven into the pod are a few tales from the road from the radio duo.


Randy and TC unpack a big theme: Lilia Vu might have effectively answered an ongoing “problem” in the women’s game – parity. Not only did she become the first American to win the AIG Women’s Open since Mo Martin 2014, but we’ve seen little repetition in major champions of the past four years, which has made it hard to establish who is the best of the best. But in the context of winning twice earlier this year and overcoming injury, the new world No. 1 has deservedly earned that spot – and broke a 24-year drought of two majors in a year set by Juli Inkster in 1999.

Along the way, the guys address a few concerning performances, including Nelly Korda’s 74.

(34:30) Randy makes a case for legitimizing Charley Hull via her Solheim Cup success – and her overall swagger! Charley’s had quite the hot girl summer, and even if she couldn’t close out her country’s open, that’s worth recognizing.

(37:00) Would it be a high-level British sporting event without climate protestors? Randy and Cody saved their censored thoughts for the live show.


(42:10) Randy drops his critiques on the AIG Women’s Open. Branding, radio and Champion Golfer of the Year are all covered. Also has high praise for the AIG Women’s Open fan atmosphere! Players made it a point of distinction, even Lilia Vu in her winning speech. The rest of the calendar should take note.


(50:00) Moving onto HAWT HAWT Memphis, where another Lucas Glover win kicks off the first PGA Tour playoff event! Glover defeated Patrick Cantlay in a playoff to capture his second consecutive PGA Tour win. TC, ever the Tommy lad apologist, is 

(1:00:00) Glover has gone from 0 to 100 with his putter – and had some big-time highlights this weekend. At this point, we probably can’t  leave him off the Ryder Cup team, right? We’re starting to get a better idea of what the Team USA picture looks like.

(1:10:30) Patrick Cantlay is obsessed with the FedEx Cup playoffs – which has had a lot of branding trouble – until they pared it down to 70! A nuanced discussion on how this played out IRL, and how successful it actually was.


(1:20:30) LIV Bedminster. Cam Smith won by 7 shots, and Ripper GC won by 11 over the Crushers. D.J. shares a funny anecdote from his own experience at Bedminster. Oh yeah, the Phil and Bryson video.

(1:27:20) Using the U.S. Women’s Amateur as an example (handheld cameras, smaller production crew) – an event dressed up in the fanciest, high-tech arrangement isn’t going to interest anyone if there’s no substance.

(1:28:55) Coined the “horniest organization in America” by TC, the boys dive into the ongoing disarray of the PGA Tour.

(1:39:50) U.S. Women’s Amateur brought the heat at Bel-Air! Auburn’s Megan Schofill defeated LSU’s Latanna Stone 4&3. Shoutout to Rachel Heck for an incredible comeback week.


(1:41:00) Sam Flood will be taking over for Mark Loomis at Golf Channel as the SVP of production. Farewell to 

 Shoutout to Joel Beall for his true crime feature. Some extra delirious baseball chatter…until a huge development on the apology front unfolds (see below).

(42:10) Randy is indeed right. The AIG Women’s Open has so many good things going for it – why can’t branding be one of them? It’s hard to want to rep the event with that unfortunate logo.

I’m struggling with the worst take this week, though I imagine if Soly were here, he’d probably say Lucas Glover couldn’t be on the Ryder Cup team or 

something akin to the Brian Harman take. 

(1:48:15) Not so much a mea culpa, but an update on the Tardy tension — Randy and Bailey Tardy have buried the hatchet, he claims!


T6 Ewing - “Her irons didn’t look good, and her driver didn’t look good on Saturday.” -TC

T21 Yamashita “I’m not buying what she’s selling.” -Randy

T44 Zhang “She looked out of sorts. Bad with her wedges. D+ game.” -Randy

(38:10) “Charley pulled that iron shot left into a crazy ass lie…these protestors had proper golf etiquette. They could have pulled the smoke and ran out onto the green when that whole debacle was going on, but they waited until after she hit that shot to pop that pink smoke.” -Cody

(45:30) “I got a nickname I’d like to offer for Allisen Corpuz. Can we call her something about gingivitis? It’s a death that creeps in through the gums. You don’t quite see it coming until it’s too late.” -Randy

(1:03:40) “I will say – my Denny McCarthyism take – he finished DFL this week.” -TC

“A bit of a red scare. No red numbers for Mr. McCarthy.” -DJ

(1:20:40) “It is golf for the ADHD generation. I’m old, I’ll admit, I’m old.” -Randy


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NLU Podcast, Episode 727: Women's British Open + Memphis Recaps (+ Show Notes)

Big Randy and Cody report from Walton Heath with TC joining stateside for a Friday recap of the first two rounds of the Women's British Open where Ally Ewing leads by five shots. We break down Ewing's first two rounds, the rest of the contenders, those who we expected to contend that are heading home after two days, plus our experiences as members of the Women's Open Radio crew and a look ahead to the weekend.

NLU Podcast, Episode 726: Women's British Open Friday Recap

Big Randy and Cody are on location at Walton Heath for this week's AIG Women's Open. After a brief recap of our jet-lagged experience at today's Pro-Am, we offer our thoughts on the course, our upcoming appearance on the tournament radio broadcast, and our picks to contend in the final major of the year in women's golf.

NLU Podcast, Episode 725: Women's British Open Preview

“Substitute teaching” or a permanent replacement? Whatever you say, TC. He’s back to host another Sunday recap pod, this time joined by KVV! (Congrats to Soly, who became a dad this week. Perspective OTW!!!)


The two dive into PGA Tour regular-season finale in the Wyndham Championship, where Lucas Glover emerged victorious for his fifth PGA Tour win two strokes ahead of Byeong-hun An and Russell Henley. The putter plagued Glover, forcing a switch to a long putter that seemed to break the curse.

(8:30) 511 events, 59 top-ten finishes, 26 top-fives and five PGA Tour wins later, Lucas Glover has made a lot in his 19-year career.

(9:45) The guys talk Glover sounding off early in the week on the downsizing of the playoff system in going from the top 125 to 70. Both disagree with Glover’s larger point – a playoff is meant to reward good play.

(17:00) A recap of Lucas Glover’s Sunday, featuring some very interesting breaks (a cop, a creek, things of that nature).

(23:30) Down the leaderboard with a very brief ping-pong tangent inspired by the family history of runner-up Byeong-hun An.

poorly aged Justin Thomas Ryder Cup take.

 He believes he’ll still get picked! Unreal. Exploring who could take his place.


(36:00) Bryson’s 58 and all things LIV Greenbrier. Did Brooks’s words wake up Matthew Wolff? And a few more closing items from Sedgefield – stoking the Matt Wallace flame. Team Europe captain’s picks, as well as giving the FedExCup rankings some serious consideration in the one week of the year that they matter.


(56:45) Time to unpack Tiger joining the PGA Tour policy board! Tiger joins Patrick Cantley, Charley Hoffman, Peter Malnati, Rory McIlroy and Webb Simpson working alongside Ed Herlihy, Jimmy Dunne, Mark Flaherty, Mary Meeker, soon-to-be-announced Big Randall Stephenson’s replacement and PGA of America Director John Lindert.

The two go over the certain steps the player leaders requested, including the involvement and approval of Player Directors before any major decision is made and Colin Neville (Special Advisor to the Player Directors) being clued in on the state of negotiations in the Framework Agreement and provided access to any documents and information necessary on behalf of the players. (This smells a lot like marriage counseling, I imagine?) 

Stop pretending to be happy about the PGA Tour “working things out,” Phil…

(1:05:00) Let’s react to the new schedule leak. Not too many changes, but enough to brew some conjecture. Going back to Bryson – sounds like he’s back! A 58 is a 58, even if the setup was bringing in other low scores.

(1:14:16) Shouts to Celine Boutier for following up her win at Evian with a two-shot victory at the Scottish Open. Transitioning into some Women’s British Open chatter. KVV chats about his experience playing Walton Heath.

(1:17:40) Some quick hitters including the Western Amateur, Angel Cabrera’s prison release, end of the Korn Ferry Tour season, conference realignment, U.S. Women’s Amateur at Bel-Air and Jack Nicklaus losing his Name, Image and Likeness case.

(9:45) The rebuttal to Lucas Glover is totally valid. 70 is a lot. Forcing me to care about 

It’s not like everyone outside of 70 is SOL. You still have some status. Play better!

(30:30) KVV is still somewhat attached to the JT Ryder Cup take. It’s over. Let it go.

Light refreshments this week from the Wyndham Championship.

T2 Byeong-hun An - “Both of his parents are Olympians.” -TC

4 Horschel - “I’ve been critical of Billy in the past. He can be a loudmouth, but so can I.” -TC

T5 Webb Simpson - “First top-ten since March or April?”

T5 Michael Kim - “Became a good golfer again, but also a delightful Twitter follow.” -KVV

T7 Adam Scott - “Adam Scott being 43 makes me feel old.” -KVV

T7 Adam Svensson - “Let me down this week. The fund was relying on him.” -TC

T12 Justin Thomas - “Valiant effort, I’m just not buying the whole Ryder Cup thing.” -TC

(17:00) “Going back to Lucas, he had a couple good breaks down the stretch. On 18…hits it off of a cop. Try that in a small town, Lucas.” -TC

(25:45) “We had a ping pong table in the basement growing up, Neil and I. I think we had fist fights at the end of ping-pong matches, broken paddles, all that kind of stuff.” -TC


(54:57) “Would Phil have been like Romo, though? Where you love him the first two seasons and then you go ‘God, f*ck this guy.’” -TC

“What a quick summary of Phil’s entire personality.” -KVV

(1:33:20) *Jack Nicklaus impression* “‘I mean, Andy Katzenmoyer, he got to sell his name back in the day…’” -KVV


Adam Schupak story on Lucas Glover’s thoughts on new playoff system

PGA Tour press release on Tiger joining the PGA Tour policy board

Twitter: Phil weirdly celebrating Tiger joining the policy board

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NLU Podcast, Episode 724: 2023 Wyndham Championship Recap (+ Show Notes)

A substitute teacher appearance: TC and Cody take over the Sunday recap pod to touch on a 

of golf that went down this past week. (Side note: Congrats are in order for our very own Casey Landman, who won her club championship this past week!)

(5:15) The duo opens things by chatting about the 3M Open, where Lee Hodges totally dominated with a 24-under week, winning by a whole 

TC and Cody tag team Down the Leaderboard before jumping into Ryder Cup implications. (13:00) TC has some Ludvig explaining to do…and asks him to 

Cody brings up an excellent point: Why doesn’t someone like Akshay Bhatia (a non-member) get FedExCup points, even with a special temporary membership?

(22:30) Jordan…I mean me…ok, I’m not gonna refer to myself in the third person. I hop on to talk with the guys about the Evian Championship and the U.S. Junior Amateur. Celine Boutier outlasted a top-notch leaderboard to become the first Frenchwoman to win the Evian, and earned her first major in the process. I claim she “Brian Harman’d that sh*t” after being the 54-hole leader and winning by six shots.

(27:00) That’s the kind of win to lock Celine into her second Solheim Cup appearance – and make Team Europe look extra dangerous. Let’s assess their chances. A Ciganda conspiracy? TC dives into Carlota Ciganda’s DQ, which resulted from her refusing to sign her scorecard according to a 2-stroke slow play penalty assessed during her second round. Was that the right hill to die on given her spot on the Solheim Cup points list?

(33:40) So…is Evian legit yet? I argue that by proxy of the field and identification, it’s a piece of a larger puzzle.

(42:20) Cody notes Team USA is in TROUBLE. Danielle Kang is making the Solheim Cup team with this kind of year? 73-79 at Evian to miss the cut. And Lexi Thompson skips Evian for the third time in a row?

(45:00) We come up with who we’d most love to play a Pro-Am with: Patty Tavatanakit, Charley Hull, Rose Zhang, Angel Yin, Jenny Shin, Nasa Hataoka and Minjee Lee all make our individual lists, for different reasons.

(47:15) Time to talk some U.S. Junior Am! Certainly a strange year at the Junior Amateur with too many weather delays to count and a championship match spanning two days. Does the U.S. Junior indicate better professional success vs. the U.S. Amateur? Billy Davis is emerging from his twin Anna’s shadow!


Incoming Duke freshman Bryan Kim defeated Joshua Bai, 2 up, in his final junior event. Very back-and-forth match, but Kim won the final two holes down the stretch…and didn’t even have to putt for the title? A tough sequence from Bai, who tried to go for the green in two resulted in three disastrous chips – one involving TIO.


(59:06) Back to TC and Cody. TC quickly indulges in the gnarly conditties at the Royal Porthcawl, where Alex Cejka bested Padraig Harrington on the second playoff hole to win the Senior Open title.


(1:01:30) Big Jay is back on the job after sending out a massive memo on Wednesday night. The PGA Tour details its opposition to the USGA’s proposed rollback and the announcement of the “Player Benefit Program,” aka, reparations for those who never made the jump to LIV. Basically, Jay wants to get back in the good graces of the PGA Tour membership. Also in the works is the assembly of a committee designed to “develop potential pathways back to the PGA Tour for LIV players who wish to reapply in the future.”

(01:14:15) PGA Tour Canada cheating controversy! Just a little change up of a score after Justin Doeden hit it in the water on the final hole of his round and changed a 7 to a 5, hoping his playing partners wouldn’t notice after they left scoring. Sike. They totally did.


(01:16:30) Shouts to Barstool and the Korn Ferry Tour for innovation on the coverage side, and to Michael Thorbjornsen for coming out on top on the PGA Tour U rankings.

(33:40) Fine, TC. It might take a little longer to elevate the Evian, and it might start with the course. The Evian Resort Club has some legitimacy to it, but we might be Bellerive’ing it here in giving too much weight to the leaderboard.


(47:15) Look, maybe, just maybe, we have an equal amount of flukey winners on both the Junior and the U.S. Am side. I’ll nominate myself. Still, @ me.

 “I’ve watched Rose Zhang in a pro-am before…I don’t know that Rose Zhang should be playing golf with mortals. It’s just not a thing that should happen.” 

 “He literally has to win the Masters for people to stop saying ‘Oh yeah, that’s Billy, Anna Davis’s brother.’” 

“Alex Cejka won in a playoff over Padraig Harrington, who looked like he didn’t know how to wear a beanie. It was awesome.”

Times TC stressed about inclement weather during recording: 

Some light hors d'oeuvres for the 3M Open and Evian Championship.

T2 J.T. Poston, -17  “Bummed. -TC on J.T. Poston’s triple on 18 to spoil straight 66s

T5 Keith Mitchell, -16 “Like seeing Keith heat up.” -TC

T7 Tony Finau -15, “Had some rollback comments that we will certainly get to later.”

T10 Emiliano Grillo, -14 “Such a good year.” -Cody

T13 Beau Hossler, -13  “The sheepdog coming in clutch. I think he tied the tournament course record there. (RE: final round 62)” -Cody

2 Brooke Henderson, -8 - “Not a putting contest.” -TC

T3 Yuka Saso, -7 - “Very good stretch from her of late.” -TC

T9 Atthaya Thitikul, -5 “Some stolen valor.” -TC

T16 Minjee Lee, -3 “Kinda shocking.” -TC

T20 Jin Young Ko, -2 “Continues to just simmer right below the surface.” -TC

T20 Angel Yin, -2 “Just an awesome performance in a major championship with a 76 on her scorecard.” -Cody

T48 Patty Tavatanakit, +2 “Not doing this again. You’re not getting me this time, (Patty).” -Jordan

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